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Arts

Brandon Stewart (musician)

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There is a lack of in-depth coverage in independent, reliable, sources.

  • The book Divine Orchestration: The Story of the Millennial Choirs & Orchestras written by Greg Trimble who says on his website: "I serve on ... the Board of Directors for The Millennial Choirs & Orchestras"; so it's a book from within the organization that Stewart is a co-founder of, about the organization, making this a non-independent source.
  • Another source, that is the most used, is the Millennial Choirs & Orchestras website.
  • There's some mention of Stewart's name in a single local (sub-regional) newspaper article.

I was unable to find anything else. This means that the subject fails the relevant notability guidelines: WP:GNG, WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:ARTIST (and WP:NBUSINESSPERSON to the extent that it would apply to a non-profit). — Alalch E. 23:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

Thank you for your consideration. There is an independent interview with Brandon Stewart from the Daily Herald newspaper in Provo, UT, that is being released in about a week. CEvansMCO ( talk) 13:24, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
Greg Trimble was not appointed to MCO's board of directors until many months after his book was published, so he was an independent source at the time the book was written.
Additionally, this article seems to fall in line with other composer/conductors, such as John Rutter and Mack Wilberg. If approved, I am happy to add compositions and arrangements to the article. CEvansMCO ( talk) 16:41, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
You are welcome to work on the article while this discussion is ongoing. Certainly the most relevant improvement during this period would be to add references containing significant coverage from reliable, independent, sources which demonstrate the subject's notability (according to what this term means on Wikipedia: a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article). Greg Trimble's book can not be considered an independent source because he was, relatively recently, significantly involved with MCO, which Brandon Stewart is a co-founder of; this is not sufficiently WP:INDEPENDENT as it still denotes a close affiliation with the subject. Interviews are also not considered sufficiently independent, most of the time. Interviews are often used as sources on Wikipedia but they are not the type of source that an assessment of notability can rest on.— Alalch E. 23:55, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Delete 4 sources are primary, that leaves 2 sources. The first is a book source, which is not available for viewing so its content cannot be verified or to see even if there is in depth coverage or just a mention. The last citation is just a mention. Pershkoviski ( talk) 18:48, 26 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

Berry Campbell Gallery

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Art gallery doesn't seem to meet WP:NORG - in-depth coverage is largely in non-independent sources such as interviews of articles based on press releases. MrsSnoozyTurtle 01:40, 12 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:03, 12 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:04, 12 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
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  • Comment I did find these in a quick search (One appears to be in use in the article already):
    "The Gallerist Duo Championing Unsung Postwar Artists". Surface. September 10, 2020. Retrieved March 12, 2023.
    "Stories From PAFA: Elizabeth Osborne Retrospective At Berry Campbell Gallery". Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts. September 7, 2022. Retrieved March 12, 2023.
There might be more with a more in-depth search. Silver seren C 21:28, 12 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
Unfortunately those references are not very independent - the first one is mostly based on an interview with the founders, and a large portion of the second was written by the gallery. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 23:40, 12 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

I created the article. Prior to nominating it for deletion, on 25 February 2023, MrsSnoozyTurtle attempted to draftify it. Two editors advised her that the subject was notable. The next day, she left a note on my Talk page accusing me of sockpuppetry. When I asked what prompted the communication, she refused to answer. For the record I have only ever edited from this account.

On 23 January 2023 the subject of the article was connected to Wikidata item Q116312206. This alerted me to the existence of the Wikidata project. Since then I have been studying it so I can contribute to the knowledge graph around the artists of 20th century modernism. The galleries are crucial for historical and knowledge-graph reasons, as they maintain exhibition records, indicate what artists are affiliated, and (its use for commercial purposes notwithstanding) produce important scholarship like the material that MrsSnoozyTurtle seems to be disdaining above as "press releases." (I assume "interviews of articles based on press releases" is a typo.) Recommendation is keep. ImmovableObject ( talk) 16:04, 13 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

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Visual arts

John Wimberley

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dubious notability. Can find virtually no coverage by reliable sources, seems to exist only to promote the subject FASTILY 23:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

  • Comment - This is clearly a promotional, CV-like article that requires serious pruning (which I will do after posting this comment). Regarding his notability, a quick BEFORE yielded three notable museum collections that is enough to pass WP:NARTIST (normally two notable museum collection are considered enough). These are: Portland Art Museum [1]; Museum of Fine Arts, Houston [2]; Yale University Art Gallery [3]. I've seen other museum collections online, but haven't yet checked if the institutions are notable enough to mention. Netherzone ( talk) 23:48, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Keep - I've trimmed back most of the unsourced content, promotional content, and content that was solely sourced to his own website. I found a few reviews of his work online (but have not added them to the article at this time). I created a section for three notable museum collections plus citations. He meets WP:NARTIST and may also meet he also meets WP:GNG based on the reviews that exist online and the five that I just added to the article, four of which are WP:SIGCOV, the other a decent mention. Netherzone ( talk) 00:21, 22 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Delete I couldn't find anything that satisfies any of the four criteria under WP:NARTIST, (There are 13,000 artists listed at the MFA for example, so being there is not notable) and main cite is WP:PRIMARY. MetricMaster ( talk) 09:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC) This user has made 47 edits to Wikipedia. Their contribution history shows that 38 of these were to AFD discussions. The account exists for votestacking and has been blocked. Reply reply
    @ MetricMaster, I believe you are misunderstanding the WP:NARTIST SNG. He clearly meets criteria #4d of NARTIST: The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.. All three museums are notable per WP standards. The number of artists or artworks in a museum collection has no bearing whatsoever; if it did (by your logic) we would have to discount works held in the Met, the British Museum, Louvre, etc. That the citations for the collections are primary also has no bearing as they are used for verification purposes - searchable museum collections have been used for verification as long as I've been editing. Museum collections are not only curated, the objects in collections are heavily vetted by the institutional acquisitions board. He may also meets WP:GNG, based on the reviews I added to the article, however articles on artists do not have to meet both GNG & SNG. Netherzone ( talk) 17:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Netherzone ( talk) 19:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Strong Keep and please withdraw, per Netherzone's good work on the page, well sourced, and well represented in museums and publications. As it is now the page seems to have been saved, and removing it from AfD saves closer's time. Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 08:31, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
    Unless the delete !vote is struck out the AfD nominator doesn't have the option to withdraw. WP:WDAFD Rupples ( talk) 17:11, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
    On the other hand it looks like the nominator can still put a note agreeing to withdraw but can't close the AfD. Rupples ( talk) 17:15, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Keep I don't see this as a shoo-in but there seems sufficient here to fulfill WP:NARTIST and likely Wimberley satisfies WP:GNG. Here's an art review in The Sacramento Bee. [4] Rupples ( talk) 19:13, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

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Architecture

Mansoor Ahsan

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Contested drafitification. Not enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 12:28, 25 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

Ian MacDonald (architect)

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Ian MacArthur is not a notable architect. The article also reads like an advertisement or an “About Us” section on a company website.

Note: thecanadianencyclopedia.com is listed as an external link, but the website is offline. Did they shut down? After changing it to .ca, it gives me a 404, so the external link either rotted or was incorrectly typed then taken down by the Canadian Encyclopedia. BenzoAid ( talk) 08:21, 25 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

Comment doesn’t a record of winning awards for being you in your field demonstrate that you are not just a run of the mill architect? How many others have such a record? Mccapra ( talk) 15:10, 25 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

House in Caledon

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This is an article that reads like a Sunday supplement promo feature, sourced entirely to articles that read like Sunday supplement promo features. (Honestly, what do you call these things? Some unholy hybrid of press release, real estate catalogue, and architectural fashion shoot? [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]) There appears to be no third-party coverage here that required anyone to do more than paste pre-configured text blocks under a photo gallery. I'm not all that coversant with our architecture articles, but I question that this is good enough for an encyclopedia. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 16:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

References

  1. ^ Arban, Tom (2012-07-26). "A peek at architect Ian MacDonald's Caledon craft". The Globe and Mail. Retrieved 2023-03-10.
  2. ^ "House in Caledon by Ian MacDonald Architect Inc". Architizer. 2011-09-09. Retrieved 2023-03-10.
  3. ^ Dave (2011-05-25). "House in Caledon by Ian MacDonald Architect". CONTEMPORIST. Retrieved 2023-03-10.
  4. ^ Baird, Daniel (January 13, 2011). "Meadow House Points of View".
  5. ^ "Meadow House / Ian MacDonald Architect". ArchDaily. 2012-12-13. Retrieved 2023-03-10.
Redirect to the architect. Non-notable residence. I live in the area, and it's basically run of the mill for housing there. Large, sprawling estate homes. This is from 2010, so is in no way historic. Reads like a promo. Oaktree b ( talk) 17:36, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
Strong delete/redirect to Ian MacDonald (architect). Article is not notable since it’s one of the many houses found in the area. It’s also not a work by Pablo Picasso or something. The article also reads like a Sunday promo. BenzoAid ( talk) 08:13, 25 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
Unless better standalone sources on this building are found, redirect to Ian MacDonald (architect) per Oaktree. -- Slgrandson ( How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 18:49, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

Park Plaza Apartments (Sydney)

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Fails WP:NBUILD and WP:GNG. Could not find significant coverage, there are similarly named buildings in other countries. LibStar ( talk) 02:43, 22 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

Agree with your reasons, not very notable, would do best on the Hurstville, New South Wales article where it is already mentioned. ~With regards, I followed The Username Policy ( Message Me) ( What I have done on Wikipedia) 03:31, 22 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

Pinnacle Apartments

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Non-notable apartment development. The one reference in the article only demonstrates its existence but not that it's notable. My searches find a ton of real estate listings and similar but not the kind of in-depth coverage which would suggest notability. Neiltonks ( talk) 12:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

Comment: I rewrote the page and added a few sources to the article (also removed the 1st person language). I can only find 3 sources that mention this property (none of which show it completed, all seem to be before the property was built) and the page is still a stub (3 sentences). 199.192.65.251 ( talk) 00:24, 22 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

Kali Mata Mandir, Morakari

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The only source is WP:CIRCULAR - the corresponding article on the Bengali Wikipedia. The only sources that article cites are also other Wikipedia articles. Searches in English and Bengali found no independent, reliable, secondary sources containing significant coverage, so it fails WP:GNG. Worldbruce ( talk) 23:26, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

  • Delete Non-notable building, which the article claims is in the process of being replaced. The article contains no clues as to where the information came from. There is no evidence of notability.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Delete Not ready to be on Wikipedia in current condition. Nocturnal781 ( talk) 00:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

ISKCON Prabartak Sri Krishna Temple

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The cited sources are (1) the organization that runs the temple, and (2) Struggle for Hindu Existence. The latter is a website with no reputation for accuracy or fact checking, and appears biased. Their source is ISKON TRUTH, which also sounds non-independent. In any case, all the second source says about this temple is that a devotee there was investigating an attack at another temple. Searches in English and Bengali found no independent, reliable, secondary sources containing significant coverage of this temple, so it fails WP:GNG, and Wikipedia should not have a stand alone article about it. Worldbruce ( talk) 23:23, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

Kreately Media is a self-publishing platform. Alt News describes Kreately as a "factory of hate and misinformation". [6] -- Toddy1 (talk) 23:36, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Delete I think it’s been established at AfD that individual ISKCON centres aren’t notable. Mccapra ( talk) 23:53, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Delete. Non-notable building. Wikipedia is only meant to have articles on buildings like this if reliable secondary sources write about them. The most useful source for this building that I could find was a self-published article on Kreately Media.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

Gopinath Jiu Temple, Fandauk

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Searches in English and Bengali found only routine police blotter coverage of a petty theft from the temple in 2017, and the arrest the next day of the miscreants believed responsible. All we know about this run-of-the-mill place of worship from reliable sources is that it had at least 5 brass idols, 1 stone idol, the equivalent of about US$14 in cash, and a pair of cymbals. Such is not sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time to justify a stand alone Wikipedia article about the temple. Worldbruce ( talk) 22:09, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

Lawachara Jame Mosque

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There are a quarter million mosques in Bangladesh. [10] There is no evidence that this is one of the notable ones. The first cited sources does not address it directly or in depth. Neither did the second (judging from what it is cited to support - it's dead now), and the publisher has no reputation for accuracy and fact checking. Searches in English and Bengali found only Wikipedia mirrors, no reliable sources that contain significant coverage of it. Worldbruce ( talk) 18:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

  • Delete. There is very little information available on this mosque.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

Cuthbert School

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I did a search and it does not seem to be particularly notable Chidgk1 ( talk) 13:08, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

  • Comment - I found a source from the University System of Georgia and updated the article with it. I was not able to find other sources mentioning this building. 199.192.65.251 ( talk) 00:03, 22 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Delete: Fails GNG and GEO; Nothing meets IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Just because it existed doesn't make it notable.  //  Timothy ::  talk  08:46, 23 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

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Daniel K. Brown

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The only independent coverage I can find is being featured in an issue of Architectural Design but that by itself is unlikely to be sufficient to meet WP:BIO or WP:CREATIVE. SmartSE ( talk) 19:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

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  • delete apart from the Emerging Talents: Training Architects I dont see any SIGCOV and he certainly doesnt pass WP:NPROF#5 nor WP:ARCHITECT. -- hroest 23:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

The Chasan Villa

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Fails WP:GNG. Sources are all passing references in the small local newspaper, referring to landslide which undermined multiple residences, not just this one. Only more significant sources referenced talk about further landslides in area 30 years after this house was destroyed, don't mention the house at all. Also, can't find any sources that refer to the house as The Chasan Villa. BubbaJoe123456 ( talk) 12:42, 15 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

  • Keep - The naming convention used by this page, The Chasan Villa is in-line with other structures both demolished and standing in Los Angeles. These follow the format [(optional) Article] [Owner] [Structure Type] [(optional) Location], and in the press (e.g. the citation to The Daily Breeze from 1982) "The" is included in the name and the structure is specifically referred to as a "villa," that would make this page follow the structure of: "The Chasan Villa".

    Examples of this naming convention for other notable standing structures are The Barn (Los Angeles), Hills and Dales Estate, Sheats–Goldstein Residence and Don Abel Stearns House, and examples of demolished structures in Los Angeles are Von Sternberg House, Carrillo House, Palomar Ballroom, and Arcade Depot. Noting that the more than 10 sources used in The Chasan Villa article are more robust and directly mention the property more than the sources in any of the above, none of these pages fail WP:GNG so as the The Chasan Villa has more references than these structures and none of its references have failed the reliability and independence test, this article should not fail GNG. Vote to keep.-- 2600:1700:1E00:1960:B061:AE77:3:A84C ( talk) 04:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Comment - Two Keep votes from IP addresses that have never edited before? Something's quacking here. BubbaJoe123456 ( talk) 15:05, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Keep - I have been following The Chasan Villa and related pages (as well as making minor contributions) for the last few weeks. Looking at the examples above, I agree that this property is at least (if not more) notable than many of the other properties in its categories like Bently Nob Hill, William O. Jenkins House, Jackling House, Athenaeum at Caltech given the number of sources that mention the villa. From a naming perspective, looking to Beverly Estate as an example, The Chasan Villa's name is following the same naming convention as other existing properties even if not directly stated in its sources. 199.192.65.251 ( talk) 19:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Comment And now we have a keep vote from another IP which has been actively editing only topics related to the house's owners. Not suspicious at all. BubbaJoe123456 ( talk) 19:47, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
    Noting that I specifically mentioned this in my comment, I did not try to hide the fact that I have lightly edited the topic in discussion here over the past month or so and have been watching the discussion. Not sure about the others, they are not posted by me (I have an IPV4 address, the two BubbaJoe123456 mentions above are from IPV6 addresses which are assigned by the ISP not by the user) 199.192.65.251 ( talk) 20:15, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
    All your edits have been in relation to the Chasan family. Do you have a connection to the family? BubbaJoe123456 ( talk) 21:25, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
    No, BubbaJoe123456's statement is not true, if one looks at Special:Contributions/199.192.65.251 one can see the edit history goes back nearly 10 years from 2014 to present across a myriad of topics that are unrelated to this family. 199.192.65.251 ( talk) 23:53, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
    A look at that history will clearly show scattered edits from 2014-2019, one in 2022, and then a surge of Chasan-related edits starting on February 28, 2023. So, to ask again, do you have any connection with the Chasen family? BubbaJoe123456 ( talk) 00:00, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
    No I have no connection with the Chasen family 199.192.65.251 ( talk) 00:04, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
    So, why did you suddenly start adding large amounts of content to the Fred Chasan, Roslyn Chasan, and then Chasan Villa articles a few weeks ago? BubbaJoe123456 ( talk) 00:08, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
    This is also not true: I added no new content to Roslyn Chasan (made cleanup changes of +91 characters in total or 0.4% of the article as can be seen by its page history) and then completed BubbaJoe123456's request for The Chasan Villa, by adding four additional sources and improving NPOV that BubbaJoe123456 had started. My edits to the article were not the addition of new content as can be seen on the page's history, rather sourcing of content that was already existing on the page. Given the Roslyn page referenced her husband Fred who was also notable, using the sources suggested by Wikipedia's find sources guidelines which directed me to Google, I researched and wrote the initial content for Fred Chasan, a page not in question, which was given a good rating by other editors as noted on its Talk page. 199.192.65.251 ( talk) 00:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Keep. The naming of article is fine, not an issue. FWIW i mostly edit about historic places including houses and weigh in on most AFDs about historic houses in the U.S. and worldwide. Photos and existing article are convincing of significance. About former buildings, the argument which always governs is "once notable always notable". I dunno if there's sentiment about this being a rich family's "villa", somewhat of a mansion, as opposed to the attention that might be paid for another's, but the amounts of money involved are part of the substantiveness. And the photogenicity of the house, and availability of photos for use in the article and usage of photos in past coverage are part of the substantiveness too. --Doncram ( talk, contribs) 05:06, 22 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

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Moneyrea Primary School

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Not notable with only primary sources as references. No significant coverage to meet WP:ORG. AmusingWeasel ( talk) 12:43, 9 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

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  • Merge to Moneyrea. The subject title here is Monyrea Primary School which was formed in 1961 according to the school's prospectus. Primary schools do not generally qualify for separate Wikipedia articles. The exception put forward by Necrothesp is based on the buildings extant for Moneyrea National School, located along the road, from which the current school relocated and was renamed in 1961.
If an article is justified it should be under the title Moneyrea National School and concentrate on the buildings architectural merit. Whether the old school buildings are notable enough for a Wikipedia article is debatable as both sources highlighted by Necrothesp state in the evaluation and comment sections that the buildings are not listed architecturally or historically, but do have local interest.
I haven't found anything further to suggest the notability requirements are satisfied. Therefore, unless additional sources are put forward to support notability, my interpretation is that neither WP:N, WP:ORG nor WP:GEOFEAT is satisfied for a separate article and both the current school and the historic buildings can be adequately covered in the Moneyrea village article as suggested in WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Rupples ( talk) 01:41, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Delete: Per nom. Completely fails GNG, ORG. Sources are primary and BEFORE showed nothing with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. The keep vote is nonsense, if something which might have been located in the same spot is possibly notable write that article, notability is not inherited from buildings that used to be in about the same spot.  //  Timothy ::  talk  07:44, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
    • No, it is not "nonsense". It's the same school. It has just moved up the road and changed its name slightly. The two historic buildings are still there. The history of the school is noted in the article. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
      Nonsense. Orgs are not notable because of locations they formerly occupied.  //  Timothy ::  talk  13:27, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
      <sigh> I'm afraid you're completely missing the point. It's not an organisation. It's a school that is a direct descendant of the schools that occupied nearby historic buildings. I'm not arguing that the school itself is notable. I'm arguing that the buildings are notable. And it is perfectly normal on Wikipedia to have an article on an institution which includes details of historic buildings occupied by the predecessors of that institution on or near the current site. Even if the current institution is not particularly notable, its buildings may be. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:18, 23 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply
  • Delete or possibly merge given the fact that the school itself doesn't seem to be notable. Having articles on primary schools in general is uncommon unless they've received exceptional coverage, which this one hasn't. Fails GNG and ORG as explained above. An anonymous username, not my real name 14:30, 23 March 2023 (UTC) Reply reply

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